I think you handled this beautifully Cori. I think what is helping her to see things differently is the safe space you provide for her to question things and entertain another point of view. There's no need at this point to give her much more than that. As she feels more comfortable, you can expand on things.
Keep up the great work!
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In depth...
by Cori injust another note to discuss another conversation i had with my spouse in my attempts to break her free from jw thinking.
i as i have mentioned, she has been coming along with certain things (discussing birthdays, watching rated r movies and movies with magic, not attending meetings and service etc...).
we have both been recently becomed totally hooked on the showtime show "the l word".
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My First Doubt
by tall penguin inthis may not seem like your typical doubt but it was the first time i allowed myself to question the bible and the wt's explanation of things.
about 6 years ago, i was assigned a talk on the man judah.
this was when we were doing talks on specific bible characters.
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I'm so glad I wrote this thread. I'm really enjoying all the perspectives here.
Yes, I realize that women were viewed as property and that's why Joseph's example is different than Judah's. Yet, the whole ot is based on that premise which is crazy to begin with--the lower class status of women, and the double standards applied to them. I'm finally allowing myself to see these things more clearly rather than continue to make the tired jw excuses for the Bible and its God. It's rather enlightening.
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Anyone else miss the kids at the kh?
by tall penguin ini've been thinking a lot lately about the kids in my former congregation.
i miss them the most.
i was the sister who hung with the kids and took interest in them.
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Effervescent, you suggested I check out being a Big Sister so that's what I did. I'm going to apply this week. I think it's a great idea. Thanks!
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The story of my life (part 16- Dazed, and then mundane)
by onacruse inin hardly 10 years, my psychical life had been destroyed, and then my soulical life had been demolished.
i was a tatters of a man.. i went to a psychiatrist...what a hopeless effort: at $150 an hour, i would've had to spend the next 10 years, and several hundreds of thousands of dollars, to "explain" to this man what i'd experienced.
even then, he wouldn't have been able to understand.
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onacruse,
You are a wonderful writer. And a wonderful soul. Thank you so much for sharing your story here. I look forward to hearing more.
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Bible parts I like
by Cygnus init took me a reading of thomas paine's "age of reason" to see what the craziness in the ot had.
that and many other more contemporary works showed me how jesus was a complete fraud.
but there are stories in the bible that are unmistakably brilliant in their pace, action, and adventure.
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I think David is still one of my favourite Bible characters, although the whole concubines thing makes me a little miffed. David had the full range of human experiences. I can relate to that.
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My First Doubt
by tall penguin inthis may not seem like your typical doubt but it was the first time i allowed myself to question the bible and the wt's explanation of things.
about 6 years ago, i was assigned a talk on the man judah.
this was when we were doing talks on specific bible characters.
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Cordelia: i completely agree with you penguin guy.
I'm actually a penguin gal but it's all good! :)
Ya, it was an account that really blew my mind. And the wt's avoidance of the real issues made me even more angry. And then when the elders at my jc a few years later referenced the good conduct of Joseph in my mind I was screaming, "Ya, and what about Judah and Tamar?!"
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My First Doubt
by tall penguin inthis may not seem like your typical doubt but it was the first time i allowed myself to question the bible and the wt's explanation of things.
about 6 years ago, i was assigned a talk on the man judah.
this was when we were doing talks on specific bible characters.
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sheepish,
Thanks for the comments. My issue though is not that Judah erred. It was what he erred in. The wt does not say his error was in his sexual acts with this prostitute but in not giving his son to Tamar as was the custom. My issue is with the double standard applied to Judah as compared to Joseph. And also, the disregard for the fact that Tamar posed as a prostitute, as if that was acceptable.
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Revenue Canada - Watch Tower Canada Financial Report
by Ianone insection e. financial information .
total charitable programs expenditures included in line 4950 5000 .
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E2 May we make the attached financial statements available to the public? 4010
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My First Doubt
by tall penguin inthis may not seem like your typical doubt but it was the first time i allowed myself to question the bible and the wt's explanation of things.
about 6 years ago, i was assigned a talk on the man judah.
this was when we were doing talks on specific bible characters.
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This may not seem like your typical doubt but it was the first time I allowed myself to question the Bible and the wt's explanation of things.
About 6 years ago, I was assigned a talk on the man Judah. This was when we were doing talks on specific Bible characters. Anyhow, I was to show how Judah was a humble, wonderful servant of Jehovah. Can't remember the specific theme. Something to that effect. The account I was assigned to use as source material was Genesis 38 which details how Judah refused to give Shelah his son to his daughter-in-law Tamar after his other sons died. (Crazy ot traditions.) So Tamar gets upset that she's not going to have any offspring and disguises herself as a prostitute to get old Judah to have sex with her.
So here I am reading this account and saying WTF? You want me to give a talk about how great and wonderful this Judah guy is for seeking out a prostitute when just over the page in Genesis 39 we have good ole Joseph refusing sex with Potiphar's wife?!!! I just couldn't get my head around this one. How was it okay for Judah to have sex with a prostitute but not okay for Joseph to have sex with Potiphar's wife? And it irked me that the wts always held up Joseph as this great and wonderful example of upholding Jehovah's "law" on sexual relations even though no "law" had yet been made. And yet, here was Judah, doing the nasty with a prostitute and that was OK?! And how was it okay for his daughter-in-law to even pose as a prostitute in the first place? Wasn't that a no-no?
So here I was pouring over this account and the wts pubs expounding the goodness of Judah and how wonderful he was to have humbled himself in the end and admit that he'd erred, not in sexing a prositute, but in refusing his son to Tamar. And how it was righteous on the part of Tamar to have deceived her father-in-law because he was wrong to have denied her Shelah in the first place.
I talked to another sister about my concerns. She just shrugged it off and said, "Do your best." I ended up calling in sick and not doing the talk. I couldn't in good conscience defend this Judah character.
That was my first doubt and the first time I allowed myself to think that maybe things weren't all that good in Bible land.
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Name a person you admire for any reason
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it can be family or a stranger, just anyone you admire for some reason.
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Peter Gabriel...we've been through a lot together.
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